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– name of the brother was KRSTIVOJ, not Kristian. ( clearly spelled out in ship manifest where another Lovrić passenger – MILE LOVRIĆ immeadiately under MIHAJLO LOVRIĆ who listed him as brother, listed the same KRSTIVOJ LOVRIĆ as cousin )
-family LOVRIĆ lived in households number 25, 38 and 55 Kotarani (Jamnica & Javnica, Dvor na Uni municipality) according to the infor from Privrednik database and the names of the brothers you provided – number 38 was the original household, and your ancestors family probably built themselves a new house (number 55) where brothers of Mihajlo Lovrić lived with their families.
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1902 1892 Lovrić Luka Despot 38 Jamnica, Dvor 1925 1915 Lovrić Vaso Marija 38 Jamnica, Dvor 1931 1921 Lovrić Đuro Ostoja 55 Jamnica, Dvor 1931 1921 Lovrić Rade Adam 55 Jamnica, Dvor 1932 1922 Lovrić Petar Simo 25 Javnica, Dvor 1936 1926 Lovrić Mirko Ostoja 55 Javnica, Dvor na Uni 1938 1928 Lovrić Ljuban Adam 55 Javnica, Dvor na Uni 1938 1928 Lovrić Jovan Ostoja 55 Javnica, Dvor na Uni – from the official census of WWII victims , village KOTARANI:
SURNAME-FATHER- FIRST NAME-ETHNICITY-YEAR OF BIRTH-MANNER OF DEATH- YEAR-LOCATION -ID
Lovrić( Adam) Stojan, born 1907. Serbian, killed 1943. Sutjeska (2528037013)
Lovrić (Adam) Vaso, born 1909. Serbian, killed 1944. in direct terror, Kotarani (2528037006)
Lovrić (Jandrija) Adam, born 1876. Serbian, killed 1941. in direct terror, Kotarani (2528037039)
Lovrić (Jovan) Kojo, born 1915. Serbian, died 1945. , Trmušnjak (2528037027)
Lovrić(Jovan) Nikola, born 1907. Serbian, killed 1943. , Kostajnički maj (2528037026)
Lovrić (Jovan) Pero, born 1912. Serbian, killed 1943. ,Trmušnjak-petri (2528037025)
Lovrić(Mihajlo) Ilija, born 1911. Serbian, died 1944. as POW Nemačka-stalag (2528037040)
Lovrić (Ostoja) Božo, born 1921. Serbian, killed 1942. , Šamarica (2528037016)
Lovrić(Rade) Adam, born 1907. Serbian, killed 1945. , Kotarani (2528037008)
Lovrić(Rade) Despot, born 1903. Serbian, killed 1945., Bihać(2528037012)
Lovrić(Stojan) Ljuban, born 1923. Serbian, killed 1943., Crna gora (2528037007)
This census is official and lists only civilian victims of war and members of the Yugoslavian Peoples Army who fought against nazis and their collaborators. i do find people who tell how those identified in it died of *whatever reasons during the wartime* disrespectful of the innocent victims of terror and bravery of people who fought against fascism and died fighting for our freedom .
LOVRIĆ PERO from Kotarani ( son of LOVRIĆ JOVAN), who was a platoon commander, a farmer before the war who joined the anti-fascism movement in 1941. and was killed in battle in 1943., is only one of the heroes of the WWII we should all be forever proud of. Unfortunatelly, the current revisionists of the history do not think so. 🙁
http://www.znaci.net/00001/129_20.pdf
Records from the original census of victims are available in ARHIV JUGOSLAVIJE in Belgrade, Serbia, and with ID number you can find out from the original census who their immediate family members were.
Records for the Jamnica parish of the Serbian Orthodox Church – civil copies of birth and marriage records are available for the period 1872-1952 in Dvor municipal office:
You will probably run into some problems obtaining any info or documents from them , so my advice would be – through Serbian Orthodox Church and associations of the ethnic Serbian community in the area/parish get in contact with descendants of the same family and they will give you info and be able to help with documents and family history:
FINDING LIVING RELATIVES:
FINDING THE DESCENDANTS OF THE SAME FAMILY
-This is extremely important, as they will help you with information learned informally from their family members, with translating what is only available in local language, or visiting the archives and temples on your behalf . Besides surname and place of origin, they will share your patron saint.
-For ethnic Serbs, people who share the same surname and patron saint and come from the same village are viewed as *relatives* ("rod"), and the fact that you may not actually be directly related is not important at all .
– If they are researching the same family roots offer to share/cover the costs of obtaining the documents and travel but please do not offer a fee – if you are *family*, then that would be considered almost an insult. Instead, make an album of photos of your ancestors and share the story of how they emigrated and lived in the US – everyone likes to brag about *having cousins in America*, and this will be a perfect gift to anyone making a family tree of their own in the old country.
CONTACTING THE DESCENDANTS
–Best if someone contacts you after you post your query on message boards in English – you will be able to communicate directly. Make sure you have email notification turned on to know when someone has replied and repost your message periodically –someone may show up and respond even ten years after your original message was posted .
–Dialing random telephone numbers or sending out letters to everyone you can find in Yellow pages or phone directories with the same surname – well, you can always try that too.
-Try to locate the facebook page of the family – most families/surnames have a group, and post there a warm greeting to all your *cousins* and ask for help in English. Contact the group administrator too, usually it is a person with an interest in family history who can help you the most.
-General advice on contacting the descendants would be – thread carefully – if the family still lives in the same area your ancestors came from do not ask about their ethnicity – some people will tell you these things straightforward, but for others that may be something they do not wish to discuss or disclose.
-For many places of origin, the descendants will not be living there today and posting on official town pages or unofficial blogs or forums you can google for that town or village is not useful at all. You need to locate the place where the ethnic Serbs who originate from or used to live in the place of your interest *hang out* on the web . Most such forums are only available in Serbian and you will need to register. Serbian Genealogy Society forum will have more information and links to these internet pages and you can ask for help to register and post a message on one or several of them.
-After the WWII ended in 1945. 250 000 people (42 000 families) were relocated and colonized by the communist authorities to other parts of the country mainly from devastaded areas in Croatia and Bosnia, and almost by default ethnic Serbs. You may need to research in villages and towns to which they were sent ( Vojvodina) to find relatives and information.
– Due to family ties, the bulk of the refugees from the most recent conflicts settled in and around these previously colonized places too.
– You may need to contact the Refugee Association in Serbia to find out where the descendants of the family you are researching are today.
WHAT IF THERE ARE NO DESCENDANTS?
Some families of ethnic Serbs were during the WWII completely eradicated in the places your ancestors came from. Anyone looking for information on these families can recieve assistance from:
– victim’s organizations like „JADOVNO 1941.” , Association of the Prebilovci victims, Association of the survivors and descendants of Jasenovac concentration camp victims, Association of the child-survivors of the „Jastrebarsko” concentration camp for children, Association of the Prkos and Dugo Selo massacre victims and many more local associations tied to a specific village, concentration camp or execution place.
– authors and researchers who have collected testimonies of the survivors and published books on this subject .
– historical archives in Serbia
-Sebian Orthodox Church
-other people seeking information on their family members who are not listed in the official records of the victims that were killed /taken from the same village or on the same day.
-From my personal experience in seeking information about family members who were victims of the WWII genocide, you can recieve immense help from people working in state archives in the region who can help locate the information and documents for descendants of such families if you contact the right person in the right archive.
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-You will also recieve no help or even be denied the information from civil vital records in many municipal offices in several countries, which they are oblidged to provide by law to the descendats . There is no way around such blatant and often deliberate ignorance, and you must seek information elsewhere.
ovako – Šematizam eparhije gornjokarlovačke ima u nacionalnoj biblioteci ovde u Budimpešti gde imaju jedan primerak – striktno samo tamo može da se pregleda i to uz akademsku iskaznicu ( spada u poseban fond). Nema kopiranja .
Ja ću u tu čitaonicu ići negde za dve nedelje, pošalji mi na PP šta da ti pogledam. U međuvremenu, kontaktiraj biblioteke u Srbiji , kao i SPC u Beogradu, oni sigurno imaju. Ako uspeš da slikaš ili skeniraš , okači negde . 🙂
Ako postoji u eparhiji gornjokarlovačkoj i ako može, ja ću ih zamoliti da skeniraju ili kopiraju , pa ćemo to okačiti ovde za članove.
Koga zanima – u nacionalnoj biblioteci Mađarske dostupni su sledeći šematizmi Srpske Pravoslavne Crkve iz XIX veka:
Šematizam Srpske pravoslavne eparhije vršačke Vršac : Tip. Kirchner, 1899. Šematizam Pravoslavne srpske eparhije gornje-karlovačke Sr. Karlovci : Srpska manastirska štampa, 1898. Šematizam Istočno-pravoslavne srpske arhidijeceze sremsko-karlovačke Novi Sad : Stamp. Pajević, 1884. Šematizam Pravoslavne srpske eparhije Budimske Sr. Karlovac : Eparhijska Uprava Budimska, 1896. Molim sve da još jednom pričitaju moje prethodne odgovore- navedena je institucija, adresa i način kako i gde možete i proveriti i uneti izmene u POPIS ŽRTAVA RATA 1941-1945. Mi smo samo u mogućnosti da vam ukažemo na to ko se sve nalazi i sa kojim podacima unet u taj popis, prema poslednjem objavljenom dopunjenom spisku iz 2009. godine.
RAILIĆ RADOVAN iz sela Vapa, Sjenica nije na popisu Žrtve rata 1941-1945. – iz tog sela samo je registrovana jedna žrtva :
Vapa
Terzić(Marko) Dimitrije, rođen 1892. Srbin, ubijen 1944. u direktnom teroru, SjenicaUkoliko imate informacije ili korekcije vezane za vašeg pretka, druge civilne žrtve ili učesnike NOB-a iz tog sela, popunite za svakog od njih upitnik i pošaljite na Muzej žrtava genocida.
Informacije iz baze podataka Privrednik se ne odnose na žrtve rata – imena u njoj su imena Privrednikovih pitomaca, poverenika i poslodavaca u periodu 1897-1947. godine.
