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Žrtve rata 1941 – 1945

 

 

BIH

BANJA LUKA

PISKAVICA

Rajilić(Ostoja) Stojan, rođen 1896. Srbin, ubijen  1942. u logoru, Jasenovac

BOSANSKA DUBICA

BIJAKOVAC

Rajlić(Ostoja) Grozda, rođena 1915. Srpkinja, ubijena 1945. u zatvoru, Bosanska gradiška

DRAKSENIĆ

Rajlić(Nikola) Stoja, rođena 1928. Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. u logoru, Jasenovac
Rajlić(Vlajko) Nikola, rođen 1900. Srbin, ubijen  1942. u logoru, Zemun Sajmište

MEĐUVOĐE

Rajlić(Ilija) Milorad, rođen 1924. Srbin, poginuo 1945. u NOBu,Bijelo brdo

RAKOVICA

Railić(S.) Stanoja, rođen 1910. Srbin, ubijen 1942. nepoznato,Kozara
Rajlić(Mile) Rade, rođen 1910. Srbin, ubijen od Nemaca 1942. u logoru, Zemun Sajmište
Rajlić(Milovan) Anka, rođena 1928. Srpkinja, ubijena  1942. u logoru, Jasenovac
Rajlić(Milovan) Mile, rođen 1918. Srbin, poginuo 1942. u NOBu, Grmeč
Rajlić(Milovan) Radosava, rođena 1924. Srpkinja, ubijena  1942. u logoru,  Jasenovac
Rajlić(Rade) Bogdo, rođen 1941. Srbin, ubijen  1942. pri deportaciji, Daruvar
Rajlić(Rade) Marija, rođena 1907. Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. pri deportaciji, Daruvar
Rajlić(Stanoje) Mihajlo, rođen 1932. Srbin, ubijen  1942. pri deportaciji, Daruvar
Rajlić(Stanoje) Stana, rođena 1930. Srpkinja, ubijena  1942. pri deportaciji, Daruvar
Ralić(Savo) Stanoje, rođen 1916. Srbin, poginuo 1942. u NOBu, Grmeč

BOSANSKA KRUPA

BOSANSKA KRUPA

Rajlić(Đura) Mitar, rođen 1910. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu, Turbet kod trav

HAŠANI

Railić(Đuro) Dmitar, rođen 1909. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu, Stari travnik
Railić(Glišo) Ruža, rođena 1905. Srpkinja, ubijena 1943. u direktnom teroru, Hašani bos. kru
Railić(Mile) Lazar, rođen 1934. Srbin, ubijen 1943. u nemačkoj ofanzivi, Grmeč
Railić(Ostoja) Marko, rođen 1892. Srbin, ubijen  1945. u logoru, Zemun Sajmište
Railić(Pero) Boja, rođena 1890. Srpkinja, ubijena 1943. u direktnom teroru, Ravni dol grmeč
Railić(Stojan) Ostoja, rođen 1921. Srbin, poginuo 1942. u NOBu, Ovanjska ljubij
Rajlić(Dako) Jovo, rođen 1891. Srbin, ubijen 1941. u direktnom teroru, Bos.krupa
Rajlić(Dako) Stojan, rođen 1894. Srbin, ubijen 1943. u direktnom teroru, Hašani
Rajlić(Stojan) Gojko, rođen 1920. Srbin, poginuo 1944. u NOBu, Sandžak
Rajlić(Stojan) Marko, rođen 1926. Srbin, ubijen 1943. u direktnom teroru, Hašani

PODKALINJE

Railić(Stevan) Milan, rođen 1916. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu, Blatna

BOSANSKI NOVI

BOSANSKI NOVI

Rajlić(Nn) Ljubo, rođen 1910. Srbin, ubijen  1944. u logoru, Jasenovac
Rajlić(Simo) Sava, rođena 1900. Srpkinja, ubijena 1941. nepoznato, Bosanski novi
Rajlić(Stojan) Svetislav, rođen 1926. Srbin, ubijen 1943. u direktnom teroru, Bosanski novi
Rajlić(Stojan) Svetozar, rođen 1933. Srbin, ubijen od ustaša 1943. u logoru, Jasenovac

GORNJI AGIĆI

Rajilić(Lazar) Dragan, rođen 1920. Srbin, ubijen 1943. u direktnom teroru, Agići

LJEŠLJANI

Rajlić(Jovo) Dušan, rođen 1913. Srbin, poginuo 1941. u NOBu, Lješljani

MALA KRUPSKA RUJIŠKA

Rajlić(Luka) Đorđe, rođen 1935. Srbin, ubijen od ustaša 1943. u nemačkoj ofanzivi, Grmeč
Rajlić(Sava) Ilija, rođen 1913. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu, Jablan

MALA NOVSKA RUJIŠKA

Rajlić(Ostoja) Pero, rođen 1900. Srbin, ubijen 1941. kod kuće, Bosanski novi

POLJAVNICE

Rajilić(Đ.) Aleksa, rođen 1920. Srbin, ubijen 1942. u zbegu, Kozara
Rajilić(Ostoja) Jovo, rođen 1890. Srbin, poginuo 1941.u aprilskom ratu 1941 god., Poljavnice
Rajilić(Ostoja) Milan, rođen 1903. Srbin, ubijen  1943. u logoru, Jasenovac
Rajilić(Ostoja) Trivun, rođen 1897. Srbin, ubijen 1942. Poljavnice
Rajilić(Stojan) Pero, rođen 1922. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu, Grmeč
Rajilić(Stojan) Vitomir, rođen 1924. Srbin, poginuo 1944. u NOBu, Travnik

RUDICE

Rajlić(Mile) Uroš, rođen 1903. Srbin, ubijen 1941. kod kuće, Rudice

PRIJEDOR

ĆELA

Rajlić(Nikola) Petar, rođen 1920. Srbin, ubijen 1941. u direktnom teroru, Prijedor
Rajlić(Simo) Nikola, rođen 1875. Srbin, ubijen 1941. u direktnom teroru, Ćela
Raljić(Simo) Nikola, rođen 1875. Srbin, ubijen 1941. Ćela

GORNJI JELOVAC

Rajlić(Ostoja) Đoko, rođen 1907. Srbin, ubijen 1942. u zbegu, Kozara
Rajlić(Ostoja) Đuro, rođen 1910. Srbin, ubijen  1942. u masovnom pokolju, Gornji jelovac
Rajlić(Simo) Ostoja, rođen 1878. Srbin, ubijen 1942. u masovnom pokolju, Gornji jelovac
Raljić(Ostoja) Miloš, rođen 1928. Srbin, ubijen 1942. u masovnom pokolju, Gornji jelovac
Raljić(Ostoja) Simo, rođen 1905. Srbin, ubijen 1942. u masovnom pokolju, Gornji jelovac

MALO PALANČIŠTE

Railić(Luka) Anđa, rođena 1911. Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. u direktnom teroru, Gornji jelovac
Rajilić(Ilija) Mirko, rođen 1886. Srbin, ubijen 1942. u masovnom pokolju, Gornji jelovac
Rajilić(Mile) Milica, rođena 1887. Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. kod kuće, Malo Palančište
Rajilić(Nikola) Pava,rođena 1913. Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. u masovnom pokolju Gornji jelovac
Rajilić(Nn) Pavo, rođen 1902. Srbin, poginuo 1942. u NOBu, Gornji jelovac
Rajilić(Stojan) Jovo, rođen 1922. Srbin, poginuo 1944. u NOBu, Dobrljin
Rajilić(Stojan) Savo, rođen 1920. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu, Debeljaci
Rajlić(Đorđe) Ljubo, rođen 1914. Srbin, ubijen 1942. u masovnom pokolju, Gornji jelovac
Rajlić(Dragoje) Anđa,rođena 1911.Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. u masovnom pokolju,Gornji jelovac
Rajlić(Dragoje) Bogdan, rođen 1936. Srbin, ubijen 1942. u masovnom pokolju, Gornji jelovac
Rajlić(Dragoje) Milka, rođena 1939.Srpkinja,ubijena 1942.u masovnom pokolju,Gornji jelovac
Rajlić(Mile) Stevo, rođen 1900. Srbin, ubijen 1942. u masovnom pokolju, Gornji jelovac
Rajlić(Nikola) Ilinka, rođena 1938.Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. u masovnom pokolju, Gornji jelovac
Rajlić(Nikola) Luka, rođen 1934. Srbin, ubijen 1942. u masovnom pokolju, Gornji jelovac
Rajlić(Nikola) Niko, rođen 1935. Srbin, ubijen 1942. u masovnom pokolju, Gornji jelovac
Rajlić(Nikola) Ratko,rođen 1941. Srbin, ubijen 1942. u masovnom pokolju, Gornji jelovac
Rajlić(Nn) Gospa,rođena 1940.Srpkinja,ubijena 1942. u masovnom pokolju,Veliko Palančište
Rajlić(Nn) Ruža, rođena 1904. Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. kod kuće, Malo Palančište
Rajlić(Pane) Milica, rođena 1875. Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. u direktnom teroru, Gornji jelovac
Rajlić(Stevo) Danica,rođena 1926.Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. u masovnom pokolju,Gornji jelovac
Rajlić(Stevo) Dušan, rođen 1930. Srbin, ubijen  1942. u masovnom pokolju, Gornji jelovac
Rajlić(Stevo) Dušanka,rođena 1930.Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. u masovnom pokolju,Gornji  jelovac

PETROV GAJ
Rajlić(Nikola) Boško, rođen 1911. Srbin, ubijen 1941. u direktnom teroru, Prijedor

PRIJEDOR

Rajilić(Pero) Mile, rođen 1911. Srbin, poginuo 1942. u NOBu, Prijedor
Rajilić(Stojan) Mlađa, rođen 1924. Srbin, poginuo 1942. u NOBu, Čirkin Polje
Rajlić(Đorđe) Ljubo, rođen 1914. Srbin, ubijen 1942.Prijedor
Rajlić(Marko) Jelka, rođena 1908. Srpkinja, ubijena 1942.  Osredak-cazin
Rajlić(Simo) Danica, rođena 1890. Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. , Prijedor
Rajlić(Vaso) Jelena, rođena 1924. Srpkinja, ubijena 1943. u logoru, Stara gradiška

RAKELIĆI

Rajlić(Jovo) Mika, rođena 1887. Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. u direktnom teroru, Rakelići

RALJAŠ

Rajlić(Mile) Stevo, rođen 1902. Srbin, ubijen 1942. u direktnom teroru, Raljaš

SITNEŠI MALI

Rajilić(Gligo) Nikola, rođen 1927. Srbin, poginuo 1945. u NOBu, Žepče
Rajilić(Pero) Branko, rođen 1926. Srbin, poginuo 1944. u NOBu, Kaoci

SANSKI MOST

LUŠCI PALANKA

Rajlić(Nn) Radoslav, rođen 1908. Srbin, ubijen 1943., Lušci Palanka

PODVIDAČA

Rajlić(Boško) Milan, rođen 1921. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu, Antonića brdo
Rajlić(David) Ilija, rođen 1923. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu, Fajtovci
Rajlić(David) Jovo, rođen 1902. Srbin, ubijen  1943. u logoru, Zemun Sajmište
Rajlić(David) Mile, rođen 1900. Srbin, ubijen od Nemaca 1943. u logoru, Zemun Sajmište
Rajlić(Ilija) Boja, rođena 1903. Srpkinja, umrla  1943. u NOBu, Podvidača
Rajlić(Lazo) Svetko, rođen 1921. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu, Manjača Planina
Rajlić(Marko) Jovan, rođen 1906. Srbin, ubijen 1941. u masovnom pokolju, St. majdan
Rajlić(Marko) Toma, rođen 1901. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu, San. most
Rajlić(Mile) Mirko, rođen 1914. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu, Šator Planina
Rajlić(Ostoja) Tode, rođen 1908. Srbin, ubijen 1941. u masovnom pokolju, Podvidača
Rajlić(Pavle) Dušan, rođen 1920. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu, Čučkova glavica
Rajlić(Pavle) Jovo, rođen 1880. Srbin, ubijen 1943. kod kuće, Podvidača
Rajlić(Pavle) Mićo, rođen 1926. Srbin, ubijen 1941. u masovnom pokolju, Podvidača
Rajlić(Petar) Ostoja, rođen 1915. Srbin, nestao  1943. u logoru, Zemun Sajmište
Rajlić(Rade) Đurađ, rođen 1888. Srbin, ubijen 1941. u masovnom pokolju, St. majdan
Rajlić(Rade) Mile, rođen 1920. Srbin, ubijen 1941. u direktnom teroru, St. rijeka
Rajlić(Sima) Boško, rođen 1903. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu, Grmeč
Rajlić(Simo) Boško, rođen 1898. Srbin, ubijen 1943.u direktnom teroru,Glamoč
Rajlić(Stojan) Jovan, rođen 1908. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u  u NOBu, Šator Planina
Rajlić(Todo) Ostoja, rođen 1898. Srbin, ubijen  1943. u logoru, Zemun Sajmište
Rajlić(Todor) Branko, rođen 1938. Srbin, ubijen 1943.  Podvidača
Rajlić(Todor) Lazo, rođen 1916. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu, Zelengora
Rajlić(Todor) Milan, rođen 1918. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu, Lukavice
Rajlić(Trivun) Milan, rođen 1918. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu

STARI MAJDAN

Rajlić(Todor) Milan, rođen 1917. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u NOBu, Podnidača

TUZLA

TUZLA

Rajlić(Ilija) Janko, rođen 1915. Hrvat, poginuo 1942. u NOBu, Crvene stijene

HRVATSKA

DARUVAR

GORNJA VRIJESKA

Rajlić(Petar) Ljuban, rođen 1920. Srbin, ubijen 1945. u logoru, Danica Koprivnica

MALI BASTAJI

Rajlić(Đuro) Đuro, rođen 1900. Srbin, ubijen  1942. u logoru, Jasenovac
Rajlić(Đuro) Milan, rođen 1899. Srbin, ubijen  1942. u logoru, Jasenovac
Rajlić(Đuro) Pava, rođena 1925. Srpkinja, ubijena  1942. u logoru, Jasenovac
Rajlić(Đuro) Stana, rođena 1905. Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. kod kuće, Mali bastaji
Rajlić(Lazo) Bosiljka, rođena 1919. Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. u logoru, Jasenovac
Rajlić(Milan) Bosa, rođena 1927. Srpkinja, ubijena  1942. u logoru, Jasenovac
Rajlić(Milan) Mitra, rođena 1901. Srpkinja, 1942. u logoru, Jasenovac
Rajlić(Pajo) Milka, rođena 1923. Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. u logoru, Jasenovac
Rajlić(Pavle) Milenko, rođen 1918. Srbin, ubijen  1942. u logoru, Jasenovac

GLINA

BRESTIK

Rajlić(Đuro) Evica, rođena 1941. Srpkinja, ubijena 1943.  Martin brod
Rajlić(Stanko) Milan, rođen 1908. Srbin, ubijen 1941. u logoru, Jadovno

NOVSKA

MILISAVCI

Rajlić(Aleksa) Nedeljko, rođen 1939. Srbin, ubijen 1942. u direktnom teroru, Milisavci
Rajlić(Aleksa) Vaso, rođen 1940. Srbin, ubijen 1942. u direktnom teroru, Milisavci

PODRAVSKA SLATINA

PODRAVSKA SLATINA

Rajilić(Rade) Jovan, rođen 1923. Srbin, ubijen 1942. u logoru, Logor
Rajilić(Rade) Mihajlo, rođen 1925. Srbin, poginuo 1945. u NOBu, 25. srpska brigada

SLAVONSKI BROD

KUTI STUPNIČKI

Rajlić(Đuro) Pero, rođen 1920. Srbin, ubijen  1941. u logoru, Jadovno

SRBIJA

BOGATIĆ

SALAŠ CRNOBARSKI

Rajlić(Vaso) Dragutin, rođen 1891. Srbin, ubijen 1941. u direktnom teroru, Salaš crnobarsk

PRANJANI

Railić(Radovan) Mileta, rođen 1901. Srbin,ubijen 1941.kao zarobljeni pripadnik VKJ,Strumica
Railić(Svetislav) Aleksa, rođen 1902. Srbin, ubijen 1943. u logoru, Beograd-banjica

VOJVODINA

BEČEJ

BEČEJ

Rajlić(Đuro) Đorđe, rođen 1921. Srbin, poginuo 1941. u aprilskom ratu 1941 god., Split

ŠID

BATROVCI

Rajlić(Petar) Bogdan, rođen 1927. Srbin, ubijen 1944.  Zrenjanin
Rajlić(Petar) Mileva, rođena 1925. Srpkinja, poginula 1944. u NOBu, Srpski elemir

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Volela bih još jednom da zamolim sve koji prave svoje porodično stablo da dokumentuju žrtve drugog svetskog rata svoje porodice – zvanični dopunjeni popis je iz 2009. godine napravljen od strane Muzeja žrtava genocida. Ja ću večeras izvući i objaviti ovde sve Rajlić &Railić& Rajilić poimenice iz tog popisa. Ako znate za one iz vašeg sela ili rodbine čija imena nisu na njemu, naročito ako znate i za neki objavljen izvor kao što je memorijalna ploča ili knjiga u kojima su spomenuti, popunite upitnik o Žrtvama rata 1941-1945 i pošaljite na adresu muzeja (ima u zaglavlju ) :

http://userdoc.ancestry.com/userdocstore/download.ashx?fileid=e5928c73-0c40-4dc5-8c74-8c5aa406f994&mac=8CEF8EB11798C000000U247yOo7lik=.boards

Nažalost, taj popis nije dostupan javnosti, ali možemo pogledati za svako pojedinačno selo ili porodicu.

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For future reference:Mrs. Lidija Sambunjak, *professional* genealogist who posted in this thread,  is highly NOT recommended to carry out any genealogical research of ethnic Serbian ancestors . After reviewing the *reports* she submitted to a client it was found that : she failed to identify the parish of origin correctly for church vital records, she failed to identify the relevant municipal office for civil vital records, she failed to ask the central HDA archive  which vital records exist and where they are  ie. she failed to carry out basic preliminary research factually and thoroughly.

Not to mention that she neither consulted nor referenced in the report any of the specific research sources that must be consulted in order to carry out  genealogical research into ethnic Serbian ancestry:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/guide-researching-ethnic-serbian-ancestors-austria-hungary

On top of that she lied to representatives of the Serbian Orthodox Church and failed to offer a due apology after being caught doing it.

Anyone who attempts to charge a steep tariff for *reading obsolete scripts*  – meaning the Old Church Slavonic language in its Serbian recension in which the records of the Serbian Orthodox Church are written, should provide a certificate or a reference proving that they actually learned /know  this language. It is taught as part of linguistic courses at universities, and besides that all priests, monks, and Serbian Orthodox Church religious education teachers learn it as a compulsory subject during their education. Otherwise you are being ripped off, because interpreting the Serbian Orthodox Church vital records written in Old Church Slavonic  based on merely knowing the Cyrillic script of modern Serbian language can be done by literally anyone – Cyrillic script is taught in first grade of the primary school over here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Cyrillic

For research and information about Serbian ancestors from Švica, Croatia, and historical resources on the village and area,  contact our member Jasminka:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/user/jasminka-bs

Jasminka has a great network of local contacts there, and she should be able to recommend someone who can go to the archives and research on your behalf, or even better, locate the descendants of the family you are researching.

@dimorphius – ethnicity and religion of your ancestors, as well as exact village of origin need to be confirmed before doing any factual research.

@asteroid : ethnic Serbian ANIĆ families of Serbian Orthodox faith in Croatia around 1900. according to the public records  lived in :

JAKŠIĆ (Slavonija), MOKROPOLJE (Pađene), ROVIŠKA (Glina),KOMLETINCI (Vinkovci),

If you had hired a professional genealogist in the past and would like SGS Rodoslovlje  to review the accuracy and quality of the preliminary / in depth research that you paid for, you can contact any of the active team members  or send me an  email :

[email protected]

 

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First of all, you need to know or determin the ethnic and religious affiliation of your ancestors.

ŽITIŠTE has had historical presence of Serbs, Romanians, Cincari, Jewish families, Hungarians, Roma and Donauschwaben. For each of these ethnic groups research strategies and resources will be different – the only common thing is that the vital records will be available in municipal office and historical archives. 🙂

If your ancestors were ethnic Serbs you will find much help in our research section :

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/austria-hungary

If your ancestors are of different origin, we will direct you where to find best and relevant resources.

The only online vital records collection is that of the Roman Catholic Kalocsa diocese e-archive, which I am researching at the moment for our members, but it covered the area of Bačka, not Banat where Žitište is locad.

No information from any past census is available to public in Serbia, and research of the vital records is legislated by privacy law which states that only direct descendants or people with official authorization of the descendants can ask for the records and research them.

Generally speaking, if you do not speak your ancestral mother tongue, you need to locate the descendants of the same family – they will translate and explain your heritage and customs best, and share with you the wealth of information that is available in local languages.

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Kozjak, Lopare:

http://www.jusp-jasenovac.hr/Default.aspx?sid=7618

MITAR MITROVIĆ
Ime oca:	MILOVAN
Godina rođenja:	1890
Mjesto rođenja:	KOZJAK
Općina rođenja:	LOPARE
Narodnost:	SRBIN
Način smrti:	UBIJEN
Stradao / la:	OD USTAŠA
Godina smrti:	1942
Mjesto stradanja:	U LOGORU
Logor:	JASENOVAC
Stratište:	–
Napomena:	SZSJ64; KB-MAJ=476

 

i

 

http://baza.privrednik.net/privrednik.php?startrow=20&t=&field=prezime&find=Mitrovi%C4%87&searching=yes

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Ne postoji mogućnost direktne pretrage matičnih knjiga  u  RH. Najavljuju to na Arhinet – zvaničnom hrvatskom portalu državnog arhiva već godinama, ali dosada je objavljeno od desetina hiljada matičnih knjiga samo oko dvesto, a pravoslavnih samo jedna ,fragmenat knjige umrlih parohije Vukovar iz XVIII veka:

http://arhinet.arhiv.hr/_Pages/Slike.aspx?EntitetId=6&ItemId=1424

Za popise koji su rađeni u XX veku lični podaci nisu javno dostupni, i nisam sigurna ali mislim da za njih nije sačuvana ni originalna popisna dokumentacija.

Najbolji izvor, ukoliko su matične knjige originalne uništene, jesu kopije koje su pravljene od oko 1860. i bile su držane u mesnim kancelarijama. Takve kopije, ako postoje, nalaze se u regionalnih arhivima – u tvom slučaju arhiv Karlovac. Nažalost, taj arhiv nema ni internet prezentaciju, a kamoli da je negde objavljen kompletan spisak svih matičnih knjiga u njihovom posedu. 🙁

Takođe, u arhivu su i zemljišne knjige regimenti Vojne krajine, u koje je upisivana svaka promena glave kuće tj. vlasnika.

U većini slučajeva, čak i ono što postoji nije pravilno poisano u katalozima arhivske građe – pogrešne parohije, ne piše da su u pitanju pravoslavne crkvene knjige uopšte etc. Na direktna pitanja  u arhivama i župnim uredima često se dobije odgovor da ne postoji ništa, iako vam iz HDA centralnog arhiva u Zagrebu poimenice napišu po godinama koje matične knjige postoje. Često izdaju uverenje bez prepisa svih podataka  (imena roditelja za venčani list) , ili izdaju dokument za potpuno drugu osobu istog prezimena i imena .

Istraživanje predaka Srba sa prostora Vojne Krajine je ipak moguće – prvo morate pretresti svu rodbinu za sve moguće informacije, posetiti mesta gde žive stariji ljudi poreklom iz istog sela….

Popis Žrtava rata 1941-1945 je za veliki broj porodica važan izvor podataka. Nažalost, ni on nije objavljen zvanično i mora se kontaktirati Muzej žrtava genocida, Beograd, za informacije.

Najbolja i najpotpunija baza podataka od neprocenljive važnosti je baza podataka Srpskog Privrednog Društva  "Privrednik".

O njoj  i o tome kako je  koristiti možeš pročitati ovde na engleskom jeziku:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/serbian-trade-association-privrednik-merchant-database

http://baza.privrednik.net/privrednik.php?find=Vukobratovi%C4%87&field=prezime&searching=yes&search=Pretraga&t=0

Za porodicu VUKOBRATOVIĆ iz sela GRABUŠIĆ:

 

 iz popisa žrtava  Grabušić:

Vukobratović(Danilo) Milan, rođen 1900. Srbin,  poginuo 1942.prilikom borbi ili bombardovanja, Grabušić(0427001004)
Vukobratović(Jovan) Bogdan, rođen 1903. Srbin, ubijen 1943. u direktnom teroru, Krbavica (2251003028)
Vukobratović(Jovica) Mirko, rođen 1935. Srbin, ubijen od ustaša 1944. u direktnom teroru, Grabušić(2251003026)
Vukobratović(Jovo) Evica, rođena 1865. Srpkinja, ubijena 1943. u direktnom teroru, Grabušić(2251003027)
Vukobratović(Jovo) Milan, rođen 1937. Srbin, umro od tifusa 1942. kod kuće, Grabušić(7031s01608)
Vukobratović(Maksim) Pero, rođena 1890. Srpkinja, ubijena 1945. u direktnom teroru, Bubinka (2251003021)
Vukobratović(Maniša) Soka, rođena 1903. Srpkinja, ubijena 1943. u direktnom teroru, Krbavica selo (2251003029)
Vukobratović(Milić) Nikola, rođen 1932. Srbin, ubijen od ustaša 1943. u direktnom teroru, Grabušić(2251003033)
Vukobratović(Nikola) Mika, rođena 1886. Srpkinja, ubijena 1943. u direktnom teroru, Grabušić(2251003030)
Vukobratović(Nn) Mara, rođena 1867. Srpkinja, ubijena od ustaša 1944. u direktnom teroru, Sred gora (2251003032)
Vukobratović(Nn) Sofija, rođena 1861. Srpkinja, ubijena 1942. u direktnom teroru, Grabušić(2251003034)
Vukobratović(Nn) Stana, rođena 1860. Srpkinja, poginula 1943. u direktnom teroru, Grabušić(2251003022)
Vukobratović(Nn) Stjepanija, rođena 1861. Srpkinja, ubijena od ustaša 1942. u direktnom teroru, Grabušić(2251003040)
Vukobratović(Rade) Bogdan, rođen 1914. Srbin, poginuo 1942. u NOBu, Lovinac (0427001005)
Vukobratović(Rade) Boško, rođen 1908. Srbin, ubijen 1944. u direktnom teroru, Bubinka (2251003013)
Vukobratović(Simo) Nikola, rođen 1867. Srbin, ubijen 1944. u direktnom teroru, Sred gora (2251003031)
Vukobratović(Simo) Nikola, rođen 1884. Srbin, ubijen 1943. u masovnom pokolju, Breštani-polje (0946054004)
Vukobratović(Simo) Soka, rođena 1887. Srpkinja, ubijena 1944. u direktnom teroru, Banija (2251003035)
Vukobratović(Vučen) Mile, rođen 1878. Srbin, poginuo 1943. u direktnom teroru, Grabušić(2251003023)

Ukoliko posedujete informacije ili dokumenta, istorijski izvor za osobe iz vaše porodice koje su poginule a nisu na ovom dopunjenom popisu, molimo Vas da tom muzeju dostavite popunjen upitnik o njima na adresu muzeja :

http://userdoc.ancestry.com/userdocstore/download.ashx?fileid=e5928c73-0c40-4dc5-8c74-8c5aa406f994&mac=8CEF7D24645F0000000fcT6VRGJ9rE=.boards

baza podataka Privrednik:

8502

1911

Vukobratović

Nikola

Danin

42Grabušić, Korenica

26841

1933

Vukobratović

Nikola

Marijin

32 Grabušić, Bjelopolje

vodič za istraživanje sa popisom izvora i načinima istraživanja :

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/guide-researching-ethnic-serbian-ancestors-austria-hungary

Preko mormonske crkve je za parohiju Bjelopolje može se pregledati :

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/show?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fcatalog-search-api%3A8080%2Fwww-catalogapi-webservice%2Fitem%2F436871.

To isto ima i u HDA na mikrofilmu.

 

 

[yugaya]

Your ancestral families are ethnic Croats &Bunjevci

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunjevci

http://www.personal.ceu.hu/students/98/Bojan_Todosijevic/staro/ece-bunjevci/Bunjevci.pdf

 

Both families still reside in subotica area.

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/given-names-nicknames-and-surnames-vojvodina

For vital records research see here:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/forum/vojvodina/kalocsa-roman-catholic-archdiocese-e-archive

and here:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/forum/general-forum/municipal-offices-serbia-civil-vital-records

[yugaya]

Hi,

 

I will look into it but please be patient – I have extensive vital records  research lined up for next couple of weeks and some extensive trip and archive visits coordination for our members to carry out.

Please  post the original ship manifests, your ancestors signature, anything you have so that we can analyze and interpret these documents.

If you do not wish to post them publicly send them to my email –  [email protected]

My experience is that it is best to start from scratch  – many times people have been given incorrect interpretation as to what the surname was or place of origin.

In the meantime, check our research section :

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/austria-hungary

 

although the specific Montenegro research article is still not posted, many things such as vital records and other resources will be the same as those for researching Serbian ancestry.

 

 

 

 

 

[yugaya]

 hvala unapred – Još uvek nam je potreban neko ko će Čeri  ili dovesti iz Beograda automobilom u Štrpce  ili da je dopratiti u Štrpce busom  i biti joj prevodilac dok je tamo. Ona stiže  u Beograd 23. ili 24. maja . Javi se na  moj mejl

[email protected]

ako te zanima da se dogovorimo oko honorara ili prosledi ako znaš nekoga koga bi mogao da zanima  takav posao – ona bi ukupno u Srbiji provela nedelju dana, potrebno je pokazati joj rodni kraj , obići Gračanicu, svratiti u matične urede i arhive, i biti joj prevodilac jer ne govori srpski.

 

 

[yugaya]

 The place of origin of your ancestors MITRIĆ was village FELNAK in (today) Romania.  This village , and the whole region, has a historical ethnic Serbian minority presence – so your ancestors were Serbs, from Romania.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felnac

The other family was from KETFELJ (Galu) , same area – that village was traditionally  with ethnic Serbian majority.

 

Ethnic Serbian MITRIĆ family from Felnak, Temeš (Timisoara ) is found in the Privrednik database:

 

1904	Mitrić	Vladimir	Nikolin	366 Fenlak, Temeš.	Milivoj Popović par. 211	Breslauer Karl, krojač Vukovar
1910	Mitrić	Todor	Petrov	303 Fenlak	Maletić Nikola, učit., 27	Dimitrijević Pera, trgovac meš., Beočin

What the records show:

Mitrić Vladimir, son of NIkola Mitrić, born in 1894 (+ /-  5 years) , address Felnak number 366, was sent in 1904. to be a tailor apprentice

Mitrić Todor, son of Petar Mitrić,  born 1890 (+/- 5 years) , address Felnak number 303, was sent in 1910  to be a merchant apprentice .

-about Privrednik database:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/serbian-trade-association-privrednik-merchant-database

 

I have to check records for VUKAN as surname both in the same area or elsewhere.

 

HELEN was JELENA

JEFFA is not a valid first name .

GEORGE  – ĐURAĐ, ĐURO, ĐORĐE.

 

Your ancestors were Eastern Orthodox and belonged to the Serbian Orthodox Church.

 

and you should definitely check out out the rest of our research section :

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/austria-hungary

 

It will take me  up to a week just to go through all the records and books/ academic sources available about Serbs in Romania, so please be patient. 🙂

For descendants of same families – you would need to contact the Serbian minority council in Timisoara, and the Serbian Orthodox Church there- my parish priest here in Budapest, Hungary is also Serbian from Romania, so I will ask him .

[yugaya]

JELA is a female first name. ( ЈЕЛА in Cirillic script ). No doubling of the consonants or letter *Y* in Serbian language.

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/naming-customs-among-ethnic-serbs-xix-century

We can only give you general information on when KAĆ was settled and where the vital records are located now. To learn when an individual family settled there, which land they owned and what was their material stauts ( did they own it or rent it, is it still in the family posession) you need to research land ownership register – and to do that you need to research vital records first.

Read the general research advice article here:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/guide-researching-ethnic-serbian-ancestors-austria-hungary

and we will post a detailed answer on archival holdings here once we review them.

KAĆ was part of the ŠAJKAŠ  ( ШАЈКАШ ) region:

"Today Šajkaška is the part of BAčka from the place where the Tisa river flows into the Danube all the way to the KAĆ, and next to Tisa river to Čurug, and *inwards* towars villages Nadalj and Gospođinci.

When ŠAJKAŠKA was formed, the rivers Tisa and Danube were not where they are today, and some of the villages, that are today on dry land, were back then on the river banks and small creeks.
 

ŠAJKAŠKA was named after special branch of soldiers called ŠAJKAŠI. They were a specific order of Austrian military, who moved in long boats called ŠAJKA. These military units operated on Danube, Tisa and Moriš.
’

The ŠAJKAŠ REGIMENT, formed as part of the MILITARY FRONTIER region in 1763.

(Military Frontier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Frontier )

At first, the area was populated by Serbs only, who were brave and skilled fighters. They took part in many battles agains the Ottomans.

This military unit was dismantled when the Military Frontier province was abolished in 1873, and today the area is agricultural mostly, but its inhabitants have not forgottern their proud history."

Dupla šajka iz 1769.

 

The current Serbian Orthodox temple in KAĆ was built in 1840. and vital records and cemetery is from the same period.

It would take a detailed look up to establish where and if there are earlier population censuses and military lists, and we can only do that for the members of the SGS RODOSLOVJE.

The vital records will be in posession of the Serbian Orthodox Church – central eparchy – the originals

and the state regional archive – ARHIV NOVI SAD – copies on microfilms. Sometimes these are available in local municipal offices on CD s too.

 

copyright  original text and images: @ Nenad  http://www.vojvodinacafe.rs/forum/ba%C4%8Dka/sajkaska-i-sajkasi-nekad-i-sad-12780/

EDIT: Sergej , I looked at and translated already  the original certificate of citizenship for this person – it was for MARKO ORDINAČEV, born in 1879. in KAĆ ( svedodžba o državljanstvu Kraljevine Jugoslavije, izdata nakon zakona o državljanstvu iz 1928.)

[yugaya]

You have no family or records in Austria except maybe military ones – the only reason Austria is listed as country of origin is because the territory that your ancestors came from was under te Austrian rule  (Austria-Hungary).

research resources :

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/documentation/austria-hungary

You need to provide specific details of your ancestors like birth year, birth place, date of immigrating, and records from which we can confirm the place of origin so that we can give you advice on what is available in the archives and how to continue your research.

So: naturalization statements, ship manifests(but only if you had them verified to be the right ones, not something dug up on a blind chance that it *might* be the right one), scans of any certificates issued in the old country or by the Serbian Orthodox Church In the US – if your ancestors were ethnic Serbs.

This may seem a bit restrictive but trust me, so many people have been given research advice based on taking guesses over the years for ethnic Serbian ancestry, and in most cases the advice was …ehm …bad, to say the least:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/forum/general-forum/expert-advice

If you do not want to post the info publicly you can send me an email.

ČVOROVIĆ family is found in records around 1900.  in Montenegro (Plevlja, Šavnik counties).

BOGOVIĆ in Croatia and Bosnia

FILIPOVIĆ …everywhere:D

http://baza.privrednik.net/privrednik.php?find=Filipovi%C4%87&field=prezime&searching=yes&search=Pretraga&t=0

 

 

[yugaya]

Pregledaćemo šta ima u arhivama  i objavljenim izvorima i u toku nedelje  ću postaviti šta ima od arhivskih izvora i gde se nalaze vezano za porodice koje si naveo.

[yugaya]

– da li znaš koje godine je MILIVOJE MARKOVIĆ imao radnju , i ko ju je nasledio ako je ostala ista (obućarska) – potraži u arhivu  šta postoji od građe vezano za radnju ili lokaciju pa ćeš naći i podatke o njemu.

– potraži u regionalnom arhivu  upis u knjigu rođenih (crkvenu ) tvoje prabake  – za ovo podatke možeš dobiti i u matičnoj kancelariji mesta ili opštine gde je rođena. 

-kontaktiraj crkvu i parohiju, obično imaju dodatne podatke .

– za groblja nazovi javno preduzeće koja upravlja grobljem koje te zanima  i pitaj kako se dolazi do podataka o grobnicama  ili grobnim mestima i ako postoje gde su inforamcije o sahranama od pre  za godinu koja ti treba.

 

 

 

[yugaya]

The village Deronje located in the northern province of Serbia today called VOJVODINA, and in the part of it called BAČKA, will in old records be found under its Hungarian name –Dernye  – Hungarian  was the official language . Dornau is the name of the village in German that was also used.

If your ancestors were Roman Catholic then you should know that KALOCSA Diocese to which most of  this area belonged has an e-archive, where you can research all of their records online. Dernye Roman Catholic records that are available, as well as other records like school records and village census lists are there, for the period 1816-1922.

For info  and the links to this e-archive  see this post I made:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/en/forum/vojvodina/kalocsa-roman-catholic-archdiocese-e-archive

If you need any help or assistance registering for this e-archive let me know, I live in Hungary where the diocese is based and can translate – both the records and the descriptions in the   listings are in Hungarian language.

Do you know anythig about the ethnicity of your mother and her family – in many cases, especially if they came from such a multiethnic place as Vojvodina, that is not always something that will be correctly recorded in ship manifests and US censuses.

Surname TOŠ, which would be equivalent spelling in Serbian of TOSCH, wa present in central Croatia for the period you need -turn of the XIX &XX century.

 In Serbia, I located only TASCH surname variant but not in Deronje, in Banat region  and that family are listed as Donauschwaben – ethnic Germans:

http://www.totenbuch-donauschwaben.at/de/search.php

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~banatdata/DDB/ByVillage/Bobda.htm

also lived in ČURUG, Banat, and found as shop owners and employers in the records of the Serbian Trade Association:

http://baza.privrednik.net/privrednik.php?find=Tasch&field=poslodavac&searching=yes&search=Pretraga&t=0

 

I will look up if the family name TOSCHor TASCH  appears in the local records and books on the past of the village  of Deronje in Serbian & Hungarian and post if I find anything in publicly available records.

 

For more assistance, like translations, contacting the archives, or posting local queries on your behalf on web pages and local news to find if there are any living relatives  you would have to register with "Rodoslovlje" as a paid member – the time we can dedicate to see through and follow up on inividual questions from the forum is limited.

 

 

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