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MemberI cannot match it to any existing place name, and the spelling you have there “TZ” for the “C” is indicative of either a different location in a different country ( that is how it would be spelled in Polish or a few other Slavic languages), or the hungaricanized place-name from this region.
Can you please provide more information – where did she live, where did she get married and when, to whom, from where, what her religion was, or attach to your post a scan of the record from which you got this place name so that I can review all of the information in a better context? Based on what other piece of information or record do you believe that she was born in Serbia? Is the information you have on her birth from a primary source like original vital records or a secondary source like index or a village book? All of these things must be taken into consideration before a place of origin can be confirmed and every even the tiniest bit can help.
MemberWillem,
If your Kastory family moved as a branch to Budapest then they are found in public records in Hungarian archives as well. There are public records for :
-Kasztory András, locksmith, who lived in district VII. Nefelejts utca street number 9. according to the Budapest address book published in year 1900.
( That street is around the corner from where I live, I can get you a picture of the exact house next week).– Kasztory Antalné ( wife of Kasztory Antal), who appears in the address books from 1901- 1923.
She first lived next house to Kastori András in 1901. – Eötvos utca numbers 8. and 10.After that she lived on Rakoczi boulevard number 61 in year 1909.
She is listed as living at Baross square number 16. from 1910. onward.
If the wife is recorded in these address books as head of household, you should consider the possibility that the husband was deceased. I think that civil vital records for Budapest are available online for that period via familyseach:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1&countryId=1927145
– and then there is this guy, mother’s name Bauer Lujza, born in Basahíd in 1900. who seems to be the younger brother of your Antal who was born in 1895:
Archives : Budapest Főváros Levéltára
Reference code: HU BFL XXV.4.a 470 – 1958
Title of archival unit: XXV.4
Year: 1958
Reference number: 470
Creator: Fővárosi BíróságKasztori Rudolf Ferenc
Mother’s name: Bauer Lujza –
Place of birth: Barsahida –
Date of Birth: 1900There are a few more records on him that are public ranging from 1958-1963. and in year 1958. his address was Budapest XIV. Álmos vezér utca 26.
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Budapest address book screenshots,
photo/postcard titled “Basahíd Mill of Kasztory”. Records list as owner of the mill Mihály (MIchael) Kasztory followed by György ( George) Kasztory in XX century.I hope that this information helps you in your research.
MemberWillem,
Have you tried contacting prof. Rudolf Kastori? He is listed in this article about the village as a Bašaider:
http://vm.rs/index.php/prethodna-web-izdanja-vm/broj-22-februar2010/487-ovde-su-lale-ko-kod-kuce
His email contact via Vojvodina Academy of Art and Science:
Perhaps he or his family members can help you research your ancestors.
MemberIrene,
What specific information do you need about this archive? Their website is general information about the archive and its collections of documents.
If it is details of vital records there is no online catalogue I’m afraid. We can only check and then give you information after inquiring about specific period/location directly, and where you can find the records if the copies are available in another archive or genealogy resource.
To contact Kikinda State Historical Archive try the email address listed here:
http://www.arhivvojvodine.org.rs/index.php/sr-yu/mreza-arhiva-2
or their facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005054770939
email contact that is listed on the archive website is this:
MemberI will contact the parish priest next week and have him ask for help and information. From when we corresponded ( on ancestry I think) I messaged a few local people and there is one Dragić family that they know who lived in Vođenica but have relocated due to most recent wars.
Your best hope is that we reconnect you with descendants of the same family, because no records are available anywhere except in Bosnia with Serbian Orthodox Church.
MemberYou can send them to my email [email protected]
MemberIrene,
Your ancestors were ethnic Hungarians. do you know their religion? The availability of records will depend on that but in any case, nothing is available online and you can only research the records in the parish offices and in the state archives.
Alternatively some records are available on microfilms in the Hungarian State Archive MOL in Budapest, and some are available via Family Search centres around the world also on microfilms ( usually no records later that 1895.)
I suspect that Forgosh and Fargas surnames you have are misspellings of Hungarian surname Farkas, and Csordad is originally spelled Csordas.
MemberNine members of KOLAROVIĆ family are listed as victims of Novi Sad Raid in 1942. Do you have any knowledge if any of your relatives were killed during WWII in Novi Sad?
That family in Novi Sad were ethnic Serbs and they lived on (today) Rumenačka street. Only an eight year old girl survived.
MemberWhat was the religion of your ancestor Stefan Kolarović Sr. born in 1903? Were he and Elizabeth Nonnemecher married in church? If yes, which denomination? What faith were the children brought up in?
Do you know where she was born or her birth date? Have you researched that side of your family in the past and how far back do you have the information?If Stefan Sr. was in Yugoslavian Army prior to WWII starting in 1941. what forces did he fight with during the war after that army got disbanded?
Please provide more information so that we can help you more.
There is information in Privrednik database on STEVAN KOLAROVIĆ, blacksmith, owning a business in Sremski Karlovci in 1937.
Stevan = Stefan, and Sremski Karlovci are near Novi Sad – could that be your ancestor? If yes, there is more information on that family in that database, including possible names of siblings and earlier generations:
MemberJelena,
Have you checked the records that are online via familysearch for Croatia? Records for Gospic include death records for year 1830. Finding your Basic or Njegovan surname and ancestors in them will have you document with original records 200 years old presence.
Have you tried to find more information on your direct ancestors in Privrednik database?
Do you know Victims of War 1941-1945 from your families and have all been officially identified and added to the Census of Victims 1941-1945?
We can look up information on that for you.
As for going 300 – 400 years into the past there is the census of Lika and Krbava from 1712. ( Popis Like i Krbave) ,
http://www.skdprosvjeta.com/pdf/9.pdf
and then before that there are military conscription records and historical documents. Establishing whether people in them with your surname are ancestors or not beyond doubt would probably take decades, and you could only do that if you were extremely lucky.
I know that Serbs like to do their family genealogy “the Serbian way” and everyone brags about knowing their ancestry prior to the battle of Kosovo, but what we do here is try and stick with what is beyond doubt and what can be verified in original records. There is so much real work to do if you choose to do things that way and it can be even more rewarding than indulging wild theories of earlier origin. 😀
If I were you I would go in detail over the original records that are available and document as far as possible your own families.
MemberPlease give us more information – name, birth year of your ancestor, birth place, any known siblings or parents information, when did he emigrate and did he stay in touch with anyone back home?
As for clan /pleme origin, I will look up the available literature online and post links for you here.
Have you checked the http://www.poreklo.rs portal? They have links for a lot of resources in Serbian language.
here:
MemberPlease scan those photos and the text in the back and either post them here or send them to my email [email protected]
Once we traslate what is written there we can continue to help you more. 🙂
Have you checked the research section on this website? There is article there on Glina families and contact information for our volunteer historian who is able to assist families from that area.
Here is the link to the article:
Also could you please post any other info you have names, birth years, year of emigrating, ship manifests? That would help too.
MemberIf he was born in Belgrade and you know the exact birth date, name fo the father, name of the mother and her maiden surname we can help you obtain his official birth certificate, which will have information on date and place of birth of his parents. Then if they were also born in Serbia ( today) we can obtain same document for them, or if they were from elsewhere direct you how to continue your research.
As an army officer he must be registered in military records but these are only available to be researched on site in Army Archive in Belgrade, Serbia. I will look around if there is any public information on his military service around and let you know.
Please post any information you have once you know more.
MemberHi,
no records were destroyed 1944-1948 but unfortunately nothing is available online for the period you need. There is a way to obtain information on your family that you need though: through municipal office civil vital records – did he have any children born that you know the exact date of birth and name of the mother and her maiden surname? I can order for you such official birth certificate, and it will have the father’s exact birth date and place of birth. That will enable me to then order his birth certificate which will have this same information for his parents.
The cost of obtaining this document is abt 10 euros per document if I manage to pass it off as a request from inside of Serbia.
So please, if you know this information and if you are interested you can forward it to my email [email protected]
The only alternative to this is research on location and that costs a lot more.
I live in Hungary, ( Budapest) and there are some copies of records from today Serbia that are available here in the central archive or microfilms, but I need to check if anything is available for Basaid/Basahíd parish.
I will also let you know if I find anything in Hungarian language relating to the death of your ancestor – was he killed as active soldier or reported missing after the WWII?
There are comissions and listings of victims that are available to public that have information on place and circumstances of death, I will check those too.
For your family from Bikács have you checked the FamilySearch collections for Hungary? There is a lot of information available now online that was not there just a few years ago, and I can help you with both Serbian and Hungarian language. 🙂
As for heritage websites and groups for Basaid village, if there are any active around I will post the links. For a bit of historical perspective I suggest you check our fb page, I posted a great resource on history of places and people from Austria-Hungary in Hungarian language that is available in electronic format, series of books called “Hungarian Counties and Cities Edition” ( Magyarország vármegyéi és városai sorozat.
http://www.facebook.com/rodoslovlje
Here are the links for the area you are interested in ( Kikinda), losts of pictures and information but available only in Hungarian:
Torontal county people:
http://mek.oszk.hu/09500/09536/html/0024/7.html
Torontal county places:
MemberWhere in Hungary and do you have any original documents for me to review?
You can look up our research article on Serbian Trade Association database, which is the best way to “prove” both the original period spelling of a surname as well as whether any family in any particular location was ethnic Serbian or not:
http://www.rodoslovlje.com/documentation/serbian-trade-association-privrednik-merchant-database
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