[yugaya]

Depends – there are huge variations in what *typical* is or was depending on the location, religion, community… first names were usually typical for a wider area, parish or a family clan. You need to go through parish records in detail.

If your ancesotrs were ethnic Serbs you will find this useful :

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/documentation/naming-customs-among-ethnic-serbs-xix-century

What is the location of the origin of grandfather/ his mother ?

Female first name DEVA – ДЕВА is listed in the dictionary of first names among ethnic Serbs from Lika, Croatia, as well as few other related first names ( Devana, Devica, Devka ).

[yugaya]

According to the website http://www.sivac.net ethnic German descendants recently visited the Old German cemetery in the village and found many of their ancestors graves. I have no information on whether the cemetery described is religiously specific or not – but looking through Roman Catholic Church records from Sivac I see that a lot of marriages were cross-confessional in that village.

Here is the link to the story of the visit, with photos from the temple and cemetery :

http://www.sivac.net/svabe.htm

[yugaya]

If the civil records these spellings appear in are form after emigrating I would disregard them all as unconfirmed. 🙂

You need to track down original documents – the real core spelling of a surname is the spelling in the place of origin in the mother tongue in the earliest available documents – often other spelling were the consequence of a foreign language being the language the records were kept in.

Besides that original spelling, if the family still has descendants living in the same area, you need to figure out which modern surname spelling is used as equivalent – languages underwent language reforms which sometimes had impact on the way surnames were written down.

[yugaya]

Uh huh. There is supposed to be a working archive there but I have no contact or information on what is available and how the procedures for research on site and per request go.

A lot of information is available in the archives of monasteries and eparchies of Serbian Orthodox Church – not only if your ancestors were Serbs or Eastern Orthodox, there are many documents like lease and title deeds and correspondence with other communities and military authorities.

There is a wealth of anthropology, ethnology and onomastics researches and studies available in Serbian language for the research of families from Uroševac area. Some of these I highlighted here :

http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.eeurope.yugoslavia.kosovo/43/mb.ashx

If you can read Serbian check out the anthropology online archive available here :

http://www.anthroserbia.org/

Other than that – you have to provide specifics – family surname, last direct ancestor you have documented, original records we can review so that we can help provide you with more detailed advice.

[yugaya]

Church vital records for ZEMUNIK parish of the Roman Catholic Church are available online via familysearch:

Births (Rođeni) 1824-1847
Births (Rođeni) 1848-1864
Births (Rođeni) 1865-1884
Deaths (Umrli) 1824-1857
Deaths (Umrli) 1857-1878
Marriages (Vjenčani) 1825-1898

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FMM5K-GLD%3An2012515313%3Fcc%3D2040054

You have to be registered and logged in to browse the images.

( dostupne putem interneta besplatno matice župe Zemunik, morate biti regitrovani na stranici familysearch . org i ulogovani da biste mogli pregledati. ako znate imena za pretke sa majčine strane iz druge polovine XIX veka, ili kućni broj od pre drugog svetskog rata, ima tu dosta da se nađe )

[yugaya]

I posted on our facebook about some of the resources for researching Serbs from Romania – try to look up the older posts, it should be there :

https://www.facebook.com/rodoslovlje

Also, church vital records are available for some of the communities in the archives in Serbia too. For Romania contact the Serbian minority council for help. ( warning, no one speaks or will email you back in English from there though) .

Since many children from the community were cadets of Serbian Trade Association Privrednik, and many local Serbs who owned shops were empoyers of its cadets too, use the Privrednik database to try and find more information :

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/documentation/serbian-trade-association-privrednik-merchant-database

( use the Serbian spelling of the surnames you are researching, and for location try place names in Serbian, Romanian and Hungarian language)

[yugaya]

Archives are separate – meaning they are both distributed territorially and among the three parts of it . Also you will receive no information from vital records from them, and they do not do research per request, you can only go there and research on your own the secondary records like school records, local historical documents. You need to contact the municipal office in charge of the last place of residence of your ancestors, but my guess is that only a local researcher can try and obtain information for you – due to legal restrictions and the general lack of interest to reply or correspond with people in foreign language.

[yugaya]

nope, never received any folow up info, but I did dig up a number of resoures on the Serbs in Izmir in XIX century.
:)))

[yugaya]

Did either one of them emigrate? Do you know names of any other siblings or relatives? If emigrated, when and to where? What was the last contact with the family in homeland?

 

Please post any original documetns you have for me to review them before I can help you further.

 

There is a big thread on Sjeničak parish on this forum and a gathering and trip planned for 2015 :

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/forum/sjeni%C4%8Dak-vrginmost-croatia-place-origin

[yugaya]

Based on period records this family was Croatian and Roman Catholic.

The parish of origin in that area of Jandroković family is CIGLENA – they would have listed larger towns like Bjelovar or Bedenik as their last residence in documents after emigrating.

 

There are some records online, but since they are limited you will need to dig up either the names of the previous generation by obtaining birth or baptism certificates from Croatia ,or from any other documents you may have like naturalization records, draft cards and ship manifests.

Here is the link to the parish records that are online via familysearch :

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-28322-3245-20?cc=2040054&wc=MM5K-GPM:1564092838#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FMM5K-LV9%3A612716490%3Fcc%3D2040054

[yugaya]

Moraš pribaviti izvode iz MK rođenih osoba za koje znaš podatke – godine rođenja, adrese. Zatim ili preko matičnog ureda ako imaju podatke, ili preko istorijskog arhiva istražiti i dokumentovati sve prethodne generacije porodice u originalnim protokolima rođenih. Ukoliko je prorodica doseljena nakon vremena osnivanja parohije ili župe podaci o mestu porkela biće takođe ubeleženi u maticama venčanih ili umrlih.

Nijedan od izvora podataka nije dostupan putem interneta,  a neki od podataka iz matičnih knjiga su zaštićeni zakonima o privatnosti – podaci za poslednjih sto godina što je i period koji tebe zanima, tako da ćeš morati da dokažeš da si potomak osoba čije lične podatke tražiš.

 Pokušaj i da kontaktiraš versku zajednicu kojoj je porodica pripadala, u istorijskim arhivama su napravljene i dostupne su kopije, a originalni crkveni protokoli su prošle godine vraćeni u R Srbiji svim verskim zajednicama.

[yugaya]

Hi,

 

If you are going to visit Pančevo you can also research your ancestors in the state archive in Pančevo – so plan for an extra day there and I will organize either someone who will take you there and help register, or arrange it with the archive that you get help from their staff.

 

send me an email on [email protected] and share details of your planned visit.

[yugaya]

Father's first name is mistranscribed, it should be SIMO DOKMANOVIĆ.

If Simica Mrvoš's family (father) MRVOŠ was wealthy, he will be among the merchants from the area listed in Serbian Trade Association "Privrednik" database – there was one in Vrbovsko ( the municipality MORAVICE belongs to). Did the brothers stay in the US or return? Do you have ship manifests or naturalization records for any of them?

last column on this link is MRVOŠ merchants :

http://baza.privrednik.net/privrednik.php?find=Mrvo%C5%A1&field=poslodavac&searching=yes&search=Pretraga&t=0

SIMO MRVOŠ that is found in this database,  listed as merchant from Vrbovsko (Moravice, Gomirje district), also appears as a subscriber for a book published in 1887 – and he is from the same location Moravice as the Dokmanović family – if the family lore is true about how her family was rich than he is the only individual found in period records that can be her father.

– about "Privrednik" and how to use this database:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/documentation/serbian-trade-association-privrednik-merchant-database

You should contact the Serbian Orthodox Church they attended and married in and ask for the copies and scans of the original records, not a certificate or a transcript – in the marriage records of emigrants their home address and household number were listed, as well as information on the parents of both the bride and groom.

Also look at any ethnic society or group from the area, if they remained Serbian Orthodox they were most likely involved in the community there.

Ins and outs of researching ethnic Serbian ancestors from Austria-Hungary:

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/documentation/guide-researching-ethnic-serbian-ancestors-austria-hungary

att: SImo Mrvoš, merchant ( Симо Мрвош. газда ) ,  from Gomirje ( Гомирје) district,  listed as subscriber in year 1887.

 

 

 

 

[yugaya]

Hvala Vam puno na informacijama o poreklu i maternjem jeziku ove porodice.

[yugaya]

Records are available if you send direct request to the parish priest in Bašaid. There is a standard tariff for issuing of  each individual official certificate of birth and baptism, marriage or death. You are also *advised* to consider a small donation to the parish to help with obtaining these certificates and as agesture in return for the current priest spending a lot of time to extract the data you need. I suggest you first obtain in this manner the birth and baptism record of Antal  Kasztory.

From the information I got you should be looking for an earlier parish of origin of this family, and you should be looking for that in the records of RC church for the parish of Kikinda.

These records are not online and can only be researched in the state archives in Serbia, or in LDS centres around the world by viewing them on microfilms.

If you need me to compose a letter for the priest in Bašaid let me know, he is willing to help you.

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