[Sergej]

Well it could be Slovak of origin but you need to find the Patronym or someone in your tree that e.g. came to Serbia. But then, they could have always been in Serbia.

Danica(SGS webteam) is getting more books so I hope she will soon post here with some more information on your surname.

[Sergej]

Things are stable with the water level, we dont expect any more problems. I did some more research it is of course also possible that there is a Russian, Bulgarian or Macedonian link. Also there is a list with names from Jasenovac from people that died during WWII in the concentration camps, http://www.jasenovac.info/cd/zrtve/html/s.html

[Sergej]

Hi,

COuld you rescan the first picture? I have trouble reading the letters. You can make the image a bit bigger and sharper if you want to. I think the forum allows you to upload untill 1 MB.

[Sergej]

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my mom’s husband is a prostran and well informed on the family. the name is of serbian origin i know. and according to him macura clan descends from a japanese man who moved to the area and married a serbian woman. the exact details i dont remember but will try to find. he knows the original japanese name and if you think about it it sounds right.

Interesting, I would love to hear more about this for sure. Looking forward for more information.

[Sergej]

Can you give me a correct spelling of the name?
Is it

1. Pleca,
2. Pleča,
3. Pleća

[Sergej]

Hi,

Like I said, there is no such thing as ethnically belonging 100% to a group. Serbs, Albanians, Croats. All of them are mixed one way or the other. Just look at history and you will see that. WWII is a sad example of what can happen with this ideology. Today we have States, before that Kingdoms, before that Tribes.

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Every person has two parents, four grandparents, eight great-grandparents, and so forth. With each successive generation, the number of ancestors doubles. This means that every person alive today will have over a billion possible ancestors from 750 years ago (30 generations). However, experts estimate the world population for the year A.D. 1255 was only about 400 million.

This apparent discrepancy illustrates two interesting facts. Firstly, at some point in the recent past our own ancestors “coalesce” dramatically””i.e., the same ancestors begin to appear on many different branches of the same pedigree. Secondly, because the number of potential ancestors quickly surpasses the world’s population, even if we take coalescence into account, it is easy to see that in general we all share common ancestors””often more recently than we might realize.

http://www.rodoslovlje.com/voyager/novo/showarticle.php?articleID=7

Now for you the most important thing is that you go to the archives yourself. According to law only you can access the direct data in the archives. I dont know if you live in Montenegro or anywhere near but we can’t do that for you. You will need to do research yourself. this is patient work but very sattiesfying

Regards,

[Sergej]

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Wow are you serious? Because i have heard the name derived from Croatia…. But kolar is a serbian surname? Becuase i know years back the last name is KOLLARI…..and i looked that up and traces can be found in albania…. Im just guessing the the Serbs forced the albanians to change there last names

examples:

Metaj: Metovic
Kollari: Kolar
Demiri: Demiriovic
Dabaj: Dabovic
Lukaj: Lukovic

I checked and in Shkoder albania i found Kollari’s (I dout any relation) But can that indicate that i am ALBANIAN?

Also my mothers madian SURNAME was MUCAJ which is clearly albanian…..

Please give me some more info if possible….. Becuase i really thought i had %100 Albanian Blood.. i sitll think i do but i want to clafiy this

Thanks

Well there is no such thing as being 100% Albanian, Serbian, Croatian etc. The northern part of Albania used to be part of Montenegro. The Montenegrin army had a big fight at Skutari but eventually gave up not to anger the super powers in Europe.

Now the things with surnames is tricky. You can’t derive an ethnicity from a surname in every case. Go read in our article section about surnames. Kolar is being used by Serbs, but its also possible that there is an Albanian variant being used by Albanians. Its also possible that there is intermarriage. Remember that we use nationality and states only for 200 years. Before that we worked mainly with tribes and clans. Another variant of Kolar is Kolarevic, that doesn’t mean that they are related. Also sometimes people share the same surname but they are not related to each other at all. In most cases the ancestors took similar surnames because that had to according to law due to the influence of Napoleon.

The best way to find our who your ancestors are is to trace them one by one. You can use the archives for that. Remember, names only especially in our area mean that you belong to an ethnic group, and religion doesn’t say a thing either.

The surname of your mother is registered in the books in the Montenegrin archive as: Mučaj
They come from Kravari(Ulcinj) and Kotor. You can find more information there but before you go and rush into the archives to see more information you must collect all information about yourself, your father, grandfather and greatgrandfather from both sides. Then see where they were born and then go to those archives. You can use PAF(free) from http://www.familysearch.org to put your family tree in or you can choose for the http://www.rodoslovlje.com/voyager/rodoslov on our site which is also free.

My guess from hearing from you is that you come from a mixed family but then again there is no such thing as being 100% Albanian nor Serbian.

If your passport is Albanian then you are Albanian(nationality) If your dad e.g. is Serbian and your mother is Albanian then you can choose
If you father is Christian and your mother Muslim then you are Christmus ;-)j/k

Either way, we don’t choose our ancestors in asmuch as they choose us. Be proud of your ancestry no matter what.

Sources: Maticna knjiga rodjenih 1869-1900, Narodni odbor Kotor.

[Sergej]

Hi,

Yes your family nama is from Montenegro. The archives mention that your surname is seen in the following places: Gradkani (rijeka Crnojevica), Mkrojevici (Bar), Ulcinj and Livari. The family can also be found in Bar, Kotor Savina and Herceg Novi.

From what I can see its a Serbian family originally. The best way to do your research is to go to the archives in Montenegro and start tracing your ancestors names. You start with yourself, then your father, grandfathet etc.

A lot of placenames in Montenegro can also be translated into Albanian. The same go vice versa so that doesn’t mean anything.

Hope this helps.

[Sergej]

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[Sergej]

Bilici: ocistvo u neubiciranom selu Kasilovcu kod Smedereva 1476; u Rumi 1785, u Beceju(Backa) 1789, ima ih u Bosna, Herzegovina, Hrvatska. Morate da napravite por. stablo.

[Sergej]

Zdravo,

Molim vas da probajte kod arhiv Hrvatske(i Bosna). Nije prezime iz Srbije.

[Sergej]

Ima vise info kod Arhiv Crne Gora.
Maticne knjiga rodjenih Budve, knjiga treca, Skupstina optsine Budva.

[Sergej]

Zdravo,

Kajganovic je srpska porodica u Ivanicu u Hrvatskoj u XIX veku. Starosedeoci u Prokuplje; savremeno prezime u selu Mecencani kod Kostajnice u Hrvatskoj.

Pozdrav,

[Sergej]

Oh ignore it, I saw your other post :-p

[Sergej]

Its possible. ok this is what you need to do. In this reply field, right above it you see : Attach a File” Click on that and follow the instructions. You will attach them in this post so I can read them.

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