[Sergej]

Check immigration records of other relatives that travelled with him and other documents that you have such as postcards etc. You do need to be sure about the correct spelling of the surname otherwise it can thow you off track.

[Sergej]

Yes the Serbian patriarchial system is almost identical to that of the Celtic Sept. Some minor details excluded here and there.

Likic is from Montenegro and have traces in southern Serbia as well. Ticit is also from Montenegro, Tivat.

All the names you mention are Serbian from Montenegro.

Hope this helps, if you need detailed help in writing the archives I would advice SGS membership if you didn’t apply yet. You can then post more detailed info on the SGS forum and we can help you out better.

[Sergej]

Hello Zvonko,

It would be important for you to find out in which year they changed their surname. Since you already know that they were from Lika you can contact the archives and local churches there to search through their archives. If I am not mistaken you can do this partially through the LDS library as well. Once you find out their real surname and the date is was changed it will give you more insight into from where they came and where they went(other branches in the family).

Hope this helps/

[Sergej]

Yes there are different brotherhoods with different surnames that belong to a clan. This is possible. Also the system works very tight with genealogy/family lines. They most of the time share comon ancestors.

Its very well possible that the Ljubibratic that migrated to the US belongs to that brotherhood. In Montenegro clans know each other as do brotherhoods. Its a general given. The clan system works like the Scottish one in a matter. Clans even today can have strife with each other. Knowing what clan you are makes your research easier, you have a geographic fix and most clans keep family records.

Not only Serbs work with clans. Albanians copied the custom as well. A family name “can” tell a lot about a family.

But again I must stress, trace back the ancestry or get in contact with a living relative through research that can inform you about the clan/brotherhood.

[Sergej]

Carol,

A clan is made out of brotherhoods. See it as subdivisions inside an organization. Now in order to understand the geographics you would have to know that in the 14th century the area’s named as Montenegro and Herzegovina were different in name and size when it comes to their borders. Herzegovina was called Zahumlije (The hilled landscape) and fell for a while under Montenegro and their clan system.

Take in mind that the principle of Stathood we now nowadays is relatively young. We know States since the 19th/20th century. Back in the 14th century they worked more regions etc.

Trebinje today is in Bosnia. THe best way to determine ones clan/brotherhood is through either direct genealogy going back, or talking a living relative up untill the 3rd line to see if they are known with what clan/brotherhood etc.

Hope this helps.

[Sergej]

When you click on the link Downloads you will get into the main SGS page with all the usable info. The webmaster is working on a new link so use this one for now.

[Sergej]

The address is:

Archives of Montenegro
Njegoseva 208
81330 Kotor

Church documents are stored in the archives.
If you plan to research your ancestry I would advice membership in the SGS. We currently don’t have anyone to do research in Montenegro, but if we get someone we will notify you. SGS membership gives you access to letter templates and such. Also you can post sensitive data on our protected SGS forum.

If you plan to become a member use the link on the front page and register with the same username as you did on the forum.

Best regards,

[Sergej]

Hello JHP,

You can find all the info you need in the archives of Kotor. The Nikaci family is a brotherhood, but its also a surname from Czechia so you need to check first if your family didn’t move in from there. Also check info on the Crmnicka nahija of which the Boljevici are part of. As for a coats of arms, you will need to check with the archives if they only used a clan arms or not, and which line is allowed to use them.

We are at the moment updating our heraldic database, when I see something during input I will post it here.

As for the ethnic issue. Most likely of mixed stock as if with most people in that region. But the only reason to be 100% is to do genealogical research and check out your tree.

Hope this helps.

[Sergej]

The following is a list of all villages and towns belonging to the greater territory of Belgrade. All documents dated prior to 1900-1905 from these townships and municipalities should be in the main archives in Belgrade. However, we must emphasize that a great number of such documents were never delivered to the main archives and, if still in existence, can now be found in the archives of their respective municipalities. All towns marked in bold are municipalities and have their own municipal archives. We will be expanding this list in the near future.

Belgrade

Beograd (including all of its municipalities: Stari Grad, Vračar, Voždovac, Savci Venac, Novi Beograd, Čukarica, Zvezdara, Novi Beograd, Zemun, Palilula and Rakovica)

Barajevo
Bečmen
Bistrica
Boleč
Boljevci
Borča
Boždarevac
Brajkovac
Brestovik
Brgulice
Borić
Burovo
Crkvine
Cvetovac
Dobanovci
Dražanj
Draževac
Dren
Drlupa
Dubona
Dudovica
Dunavac
Dučina
Grabovac
Granice
Grocka
Guberevac
Guncati
Jagnjilo
Jakovo
Jasenak
Junkovac
Kalu|erica
Kamendol
Konatice
Koraćica
Kovačevac
Kovilovo
Krtinska
Kruševica
Lazarevac
Leskovac
Leštane
Lisović
Ljubinić
Lukavica
Mala Ivanča
Mala Moštanica
Mala Vrbica
Mali Crljeni
Mali Požarevac
Manić
Markovac
Medoševac
Meljak
Me|ulužje
Mirosaljci
Mislo|in
Mladenovac
Nemenikuće
Obrenovac
Orašac
Ostružnica
Ovča
Padinska Skela
Pacani
Petka
Petrovčić
Pećani
Pinosava
Piroman
Poljane
Popović
Prkosava
Progar
Pružatovac
Pudarci
Rabrovac
Rajkovac
Ralja
Ratari
Ripanj
Ritopek
Rogača
Ropočevo
Rožanci
Rucka
Rudovci
Rušanj
Rvati
Sakulja
Senaja
Sibnica
Skela
Slanci
Slatina
Sokolovo
Sopot
Sremčica
Stepojevac
Stojnik
Strmovo
Stubica
Stubline
Surčin
Trbušnica
Trstenica
Ugrinovci
Umka
Umčari
Urovci
Ušće
Velika Ivanča
Velika Krsna
Velika Moštanica
Veliki Borak
Veliki Crljeni
Veliko Polje
Veliko Selo
Vinča
Vlaška
Vranić
Vrbovno
Vreoci
Vrčin
Vukićevica
Zabrežje
Zaklopača
Zeoke
Zuce
Zvečka
Šepšin
Šiljakovac
Šopić
Šušnjar
Živkovac
Županjac
Čibutkovica
Djurinci

[Sergej]

Family Sheet

HUSBAND
Name: Stefan Nemanja Veliki Raska Serbia [1] Note
Born: 1113 at Ribnica Near Ras, Srbija, Yugoslavia [2]
Married: Abt 1158 at Of Raska, Srbija, Yugoslavia
Died: 13 Feb 1199-1200 at Hagion Oros, Makedhonia, Greece [4]
Father: Tekhomil King Of Zhupan
Mother: Unknown
WIFE
Name: Mrs. Ana Veliki Raska Serbia [5] Note
Born: Abt 1140 at Of Raska, Srbija, Yugoslavia [6]
Died:
CHILDREN
Name: King Of Dioklea Dalmatia Vukan
Born: Abt 1159 at Of Raska, Srbija, Yugoslavia
Died: Bef Jul 1208
Wife: Queen Of Dioklea Damlatia Miss

Name: Efimia Nemanjic
Born: Abt 1162 at Of, Raska, Srbija, Yugoslavia
Died: Bef 1225
Husband: Manolis Dukas Angelos

Name: Stefan I Prvovencani Raska Serbia
Born: Abt 1165 at Of, Raska, Srbija, Yugoslavia
Died: 24 Sep 1227
Wife: Eudoxia Komnene Angelina Byzantine Empire

Name: Rastko Nemanjic
Born: 1174 at Of, Raska, Srbija, Yugoslavia
Died: 12 Jan 1235-1236

Name: Miss Nemanjic Princess Raska Serbia
Born: Abt 1178 at Of, Raska, Serbia, Yugoslavia
Died:
Husband: Tich Boljare

[Sergej]

For the archives try:

Arhiv Hercegovine
TRG 1. MAJA 17
Mostar

Most likely you will have to write them in Serbo-Croatian. I can’t garantuee you they will react though.

Ljubovo is a small village close to Trebinje about 10 km’s drive. You can see it on more detailed maps. There are several towns in the former Yugoslavia region that have the same names.

I dont know what questions you have about Serbian populations and their migrations. You can ask any question on our forum and we will reply.
They most likely migrated to the US in those day’s like many others did. THe promised land. Also the Balkans were undergoing troublesome times. Serbia was kicked out the Ottomans and WWI was around the corner.

If you plan a lot of research I’d advice membership to with the SGS.

Hope this all helps.

Regards,

[Sergej]

Hello Carol,

I dont know if you are looking for living relatives or those who have past away. For the latter you would need to contact the archives in Trebinje by snail mail. For the living you can try the online phonebook of Bosnia–> Republika Srpska and see if there are still any living there.

Regards,

[Sergej]

You might want to contact Sheila with the username “dreamcastle” since she has Grba in her family tree.

[Sergej]

Anyways, you might want to try to contact the archives in Montenegro. There are some antropological works that contain information as well.
If family resided in Krajina you might want to take a peek in the Austrian archives as well.

If you live in Belgrade you can go to the Arhives at Karnegijeva 2. They can direct you in your searches.

[Sergej]

Yes that is what I ment. They originate from the above mentioned places and moved westward into Croatia and Slavonia which werent under Ottoman occupation.

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